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Curt Baggett: The two things people always
lie to you about is their finances and their sex
life, they've either got too much or not enough –
you’ll never know.

Sex, Love and Relationships.

What I want you to do now, is take your pen
and take your paper, and draw me some y’s
and g’s. I want to know how you sign your
y’s and g’s.

OK, put it on the screen.

Bart Baggett (reading): "You and your silly
monkey go home to the zoo."

By the way, this section we’re going to speed
right through, but that entire book covers the
topic of relationships in detail. How many of
you have read that book, cover to cover, "The
Secrets to Making Love Happen"? Good. I
really recommend doing that, it really is a great
context for relationships and handwriting.

Curt Baggett: If your y or g is medium sized with
a loop in it, raise your hand.

No, no, first, I’m sorry, I did it wrong. Everyone
who has very, very large lower loops, raise your
hand.

If you draw with a straight line down, raise your
hand. A straight line down, no loops. Gayle –
you try very hard not to need anybody, you
can do it all by yourself, can’t you? And you
don’t trust anybody either, do you?

Gayle: Maybe one or two people.

Curt Baggett: One, or two people? You don’t have
to answer. OK, medium-sized, everyone who does
y’s or g’s regular sized, where your loop is about
the size of the top of the letter, raise your hand, let
me see.

OK, that’s about half the people in here. Wow!
I’ve never seen a group with such normality!
(audience laughs)

If you draw your y or g down and it goes
to the right, out towards the future, from the
bottom, raise your hand. Lori, get your hand
up – yours is way over here, WAY over here.

Bonita? I’ve known Bonita over fourteen
years, and I know she likes a lot of variety in
her life – she likes to do different things all
the time – that’s what that means.

Bart Baggett: By the way, talking about Sex,
Love and Relationships and we start with the
Y, there is a lot more to sex, love, relationships,
good lover, bad lover, than just the y. It is the
simplest and fastest way to ascertain how much
people trust, how much intimacy they’re going
to handle, and also their physical drive. It’s a
very quick analysis of that.

Here’s the Y chart – this is from Chapter 3 or 4
of The Secrets to Making Love Happen. It’s
figure 8.3 in Dr. Walker’s book, it’s slide 3C in
your handouts here.

These are the different ways you can make a y.
There are a couple that aren’t covered here, but
in most cases it’s going to be a couple of these.

How many of you write your y’s and g’s more
than one way? Totally different? What do you
do with that? You take an average – sometimes
this way, sometimes that way.

Now, I know that sounds like an astrologer, when
you say, well, sometimes you trust people and
sometimes you don’t, but if their writing really
has two different strokes in there, then that’s going
to be an accurate statement, and they’re going to
relate to that.

Unless you’re a robot, with predictable input and
output, you’re going to change a little bit, and
your writing will change a little bit with what
you’re doing.

This is the y, and it’s very logical, because with
the rest of the writing, longer descenders mean what?
The heavier and longer the y goes down, the increase
in what? Energy. Drive. Physical-ness.

For example, if you have a loner, with a very long,
heavy downstroke, would that person have a big
sex drive?

Student: No

Bart Baggett: Why would you say "no?"
Here’s the question – if he had a loner stroke, but
it was very heavy and long, would he have a very
big sex drive? Yes, why?

Student: Because it’s determined by the length.

Curt Baggett: I did an analysis for a lady one time at
an athletic club. She had y’s like Jennifer, and I said,
"We have a real, live sex maniac," and everybody
laughed. (She did too.)

A few minutes later, she came to me and asked,
"Could that mean anything else?" I explained to her,
what it really means is, you make big deals out of little
things. She said, "I’m married, happily, with two kids,
and I think I have a normal sex life; but, I run seven
miles a day."

So, we don’t know where it manifests itself, and we
jokingly call it the sex drive, but it doesn’t have to be
just sex.

Bart Baggett: One of the common mistakes is we say,
hey, it’s a big y, that means a big sex drive. Well, it’s
really the long y that means a big sex drive. The
heaviness of the descenders are your physical energy.

The second y that says loner with a lack of drive…
has anyone ever been sick, had a cold or pneumonia,
and noticed that your y’s change? Have you noticed
this? It gets smaller, because your drive changes, you
have a lack of energy.

Those who work too much, and don’t exercise much,
their y’s get a little shorter – that’s a lack of energy
and drive.

Naturally, if you have a lack of energy and drive,
your handwriting is probably not going to be as
good. There’s a strong correlation between how
much exercise somebody wants, how much
exercise you get and how much sex drive you have.
It’s a very similar part of the brain.

When we talk about the study of depression, if you’re
depressed, you don’t have much sex drive, but you don’t
have much energy, either. They’re correlated heavily.

If you start jogging on a regular basis, your sex drive
will increase – so will your energy level. So, ladies,
if you’re married, you might want to encourage your
husband to start jogging a little more.

Let’s go on. Aggressiveness – you see this occasionally.
There’s an angle at the base line, but there’s no loop.
If there’s no loop, there’s no what? Trust! If there is no
loop, there is not a lot of trust.

So people who are aggressive don’t have a lot of trust
and intimacy, therefore they react quickly. It’s kind
of like tempers – tempers are a stroke on the right side
of the t-bar, and this is sort of a temper stroke in the
lower zone, with an angle.

Curt Baggett: And people who have the aggressive
angle – I asked a young man the other day, "Do you
still hit people?" He said, "Yeah, ‘cuz I’m a boxer."
He’s physically aggressive, interesting story.

Bart comes to me years ago and he says, "I don’t
understand," (his brother’s name is Brett), "Brett
has physical aggressiveness in his handwriting,
but he’s the most non-violent person I know –
what does that mean?"

I said, "Have you ever talked to him? He gets right up
in your face, he invades your space. His physical
aggressiveness manifests itself in getting in your
face and your space."

You see, he’s not physically aggressive, he’s not
going to hit you, but he’ll take your space and
dominate the conversation.

Bart Baggett: The older President Bush of ten years
ago had aggressive strokes in his writing. One would
think the younger one might have it too. But,
you wouldn’t think by talking to the older George
Bush, or seeing him, that he’s an aggressive man.
He’s very sweet and kind. But, you know what?
He didn’t hesitate to invade, you know, it means
assertive people.

Physical Frustration: anybody here with big,
loopy loops that are a little like fish hooks?
You don’t have to admit it, but that’s physical
frustration, they’re incomplete.

A lot of people with this are in a divorce,
they’re in a relationship they’re unhappy
with, their husband travels a lot, they don’t
get enough exercise, they’re frustrated,
they’re incomplete.

Curt Baggett: We went into a restaurant one time
and analyzed the server’s handwriting that was
waiting on the table. I said, "You’re frustrated."
And I looked at it some more, and I said, "You’re
really frustrated," and I looked at it some more and
I said, "You’re REALLY frustrated."

She didn’t react at all. We went and sat down
and ordered our meal. She brings over drinks
and says, "These are on the house – I figured
out what was frustrating me and I took care of
it." I don’t know what it was…

Bart Baggett: But she was gone for quite awhile!

Clannishness: which means what? What does
the word "clan" mean? It means an organization
like a small group, right? Clannish means one
that ostracizes other people and sticks with their
own. Everybody else is sort of at arm’s distance.

Bart Baggett: Anti-social, which is the next one,
is someone who retraces the y. I will usually see
this in someone who is leaving a relationship, and
they cannot believe that I know this. "How did
you know that I’m leaving my husband?"

Well, I don’t know that you’re leaving a
relationship, I just know that usually, when
someone leaves a relationship, they feel hurt,
they feel vulnerable, and they don’t want to
open up and trust, because the last time they
opened up and trusted, they got their heart
stepped on.

So, you see this retracing as a lack of intimacy,
and therefore a little bit of a hesitancy to trust
people.

Now, especially in females, the sex drive and
intimacy are more closely related than in males.
There are plenty of exceptions to that, but if
someone has very narrow y's, they are less
promiscuous and less apt to get into a sexual
position. Mainly because there’s vulnerability
there and intimacy issues.

Socially Selective is very similar. I think
the last two are pretty healthy – socially
selective and healthy are just very normal.

The worst thing for me to get, is a handwriting
sample that is totally normal; because, if I’m
on a TV show, or talking about handwriting,
we want to find something so they know,
"WOW! He really knows his stuff!"

And if they are normal in every category,
everybody there seems sort of vanilla. So,
basically, they’re really boring people.

Notice, I said nothing about the Midwest –
isn’t that nice? (audience laughs)

Curt Baggett: I’m doing a case in California, for a
lady from Chicago, who is a third grade teacher.
I went out to California a couple of weeks ago
to do the deposition. The opposing attorney was
questioning, because they forged her name to a
document for an operation, and she didn’t sign it.

I said that no one could write like her,
she’s a third-grade teacher, so all of her
letters are almost perfect. All third
grade teachers write like they teach their
kids to write. They don’t break any rules,
they don’t do anything wrong, they’re very
middle-of-the-road, they stop at stop signs...

Bart Baggett: …they work for the government,
they wish they got a raise, and they don’t take
a lot of risks. This is a generalization, but
I think as a sub-culture, there are a lot of
personality traits that would attract someone
to a career that fits their security base, as
loving and supportive.

There are a lot of wonderful traits there – but
they’re not your entrepreneur personalities.
You’re not going to see a third grade teacher be
a CEO of IBM, it would be very unlikely –
they’re not the same personality characteristics.

You’ve got the rules and structure. We’re not so
good at obeying rules and structure – therefore
they probably wouldn’t let us in to teach in the
schools.

Student asks a question: (inaudible)

Bart Baggett: Let me paraphrase this student’s
question: If there’s a trait that is written one
way in one word, but written a different way in
another word – let’s say they always write the
word "monkey," and their y is only different
relating to monkey. So, that person has an issue
with monkeys. (audience laughs)

If you were to write my name with a high t-bar,
but everyone else’s has a low t-bar, you have more
respect for me. Likewise, if you hated me, it may
be lower. So, there could be some unconscious
symbolism within what the word means.

That is an interesting question, and I think
you can look at the writing on a case by case
basis to see if there is something in that word
that’s coming out unconsciously.

One of the things that they’ll tell you when you’re
determining honesty and integrity, is that when
people tend to lie, they’ll space their words a little
bit farther away.

So, if you’re writing something, let’s say you ask,
"Did you steal it?" And they write, "I did not steal it,"
and this word is a little bit farther out, because they
had to stop and think about it for half a second,
therefore the spacing is a little off. It’s kind of tricky
to understand that, but it makes sense if you think
about the process somebody is going through.

So, if they're writing to their mother, and they hate
their mother, they're going to have some issues
apparent regarding their mother.

Curt Baggett: If you hate your mother, you don’t
write her, do you? (audience laughs)

Now, you're talking about, if you have a y in the middle
of a word and you bring it up and tie it in, but the y on
the end would be like an incomplete sex drive on the
bottom.

It is a matter of convenience, the way you do these
strokes, but you do them because…see, people
who are in a hurry, it's convenient for them not to
do upper loops or lower loops, so they print. They
think they can print faster than writing, and they
don't reveal themselves.

It's the same concept. If you started printing today,
pretty soon your personality would be like some of
these people who print all the time. You wouldn't
reveal yourself and you'd be in a hurry all the time.
Therapy works either way. If you write that way
for whatever reason, you will become that way.

Bart Baggett: You have to think about what's behind
the writing. If someone says, "I write that way because
it's convenient and because I'm in a hurry," that might
be true, but that's the surface excuse. There's an
underlying cause of why they do that.

I don't make my f's normally – I make them a big
figure eight. Well, it's faster. Yes, it's faster, and you
know what? I'm also more efficient that way, and
I can connect thoughts easier than someone else.

Student Comment: To give you an example, when
I write y's in the middle of a word, I have a tendency
to make it like a downstroke – but if it's at the end of
a word, I usually have a tail on it.

Bart Baggett: OK – I don't know what that means
specifically for you, but I do know that if you have
two different kinds of y's, you have both of those
characteristics in your personality. You have a loner
stroke sometimes, and you have the normal, healthy y.

Again, some people end words with different letters,
because they're not picking up their pen. It doesn't
necessarily have a different meaning, but you do have
both elements in your writing.

Student Question: You know the y that's clannish?
in some writing that I've read, there's a similar y that's
a little bit bigger, but it's fear of success, right?

Bart Baggett: No, but I can understand how you could
confuse those two. Because, the clannishness is a small
little circle, and fear of success is a downturned y.

We're going to get to that in just a few minutes, but it's
an important distinction, because the clannishness
relates to the size of the loop, which is tiny (which
means you want a few friends, not a lot), narrow
imagination and lack of trust.

The fact that it's round, don't confuse the two things.
The small is clannishness, the fact that it turns down,
that's fear of success. We'll explain that later in
massive detail, so you won't confuse that anymore.
You could have both, but they're very different.

Loner, we talked about that – no loop, right? Does
this person like people? If he's an E+ writer, a DE
writer, and they have big writing, they love people.
But, they're going to need their space. There's a big
difference between liking people and needing people.

If they need some time alone, they're not co-dependant,
that's independent. Co-dependant means they have to
be around people all the time, right? E+ writer, big
loops…

Curt Baggett: The way I describe it is, you try very
hard not to need anybody – you can do the job all by
yourself. I would prefer to be wanted, not needed. It's
not a bad stroke. I don't want anyone needing me, I
don't want to need anyone. See, I have longer strokes,
and I need my alone time. I want to be wanted, not
needed.

Bart Baggett: Yes, I see this as a healthy thing, I don't
think it's a dysfunctional thing. Even in a relationship,
a loner stroke can be very functional. You just have
to understand, if you're dating someone like this, you
have to let her or him be alone, and not crowd them.

Curt Baggett: You have to understand what it means, so
you understand them.

Bart Baggett: Anti-social – again, this is where they don't
trust people. Narrow loops, they don't trust.

Curt Baggett: Ku Klux Klan people have that.

Bart Baggett: And they're all E+ writers, and they're all
from Alabama. (audience laughs)

I'm sorry, Biloxi has them too, I'm sure, in Mississippi.
We don't want to let Alabama have all the racial unrest.

Bart Baggett: Aggressiveness, socially selective, sexual
imagination. The bigger the y's, the more open-minded.
Strong sex drives…

Curt Baggett: Gullible is what that means.

Bart Baggett: Yeah, they may not be great in bed, but
they're going to get talked into selling Amway. Sexual
imagination – the bigger the y's, the more open minded.

End Recording.