Y-Loop Recording #2 - Transcription Bart Baggett:Anti-social, which is the next one, is someone who retraces the y. I will usually see this in someone who is leaving a relationship, and they cannot believe that I know this. “How did you know that I’m leaving my husband?” Well, I don’t know that you’re leaving a relationship, I just know that usually, when someone leaves a relationship, they feel hurt, they feel vulnerable, and they don’t want to open up and trust, because the last time they opened up and trusted, they got their heart stepped on. So, you see this retracing as a lack of intimacy, and therefore a little bit of a hesitancy to trust people. Now, especially in females, the sex drive and intimacy are more closely related than in males. There are plenty of exceptions to that, but if someone has very narrow y's, they are less promiscuous and less apt to get into a sexual position. Mainly because there’s vulnerability there and intimacy issues. Socially Selective is very similar. I think the last two are pretty healthy – socially selective and healthy are just very normal. The worst thing for me to get, is a handwriting sample that is totally normal; because, if I’m on a TV show, or talking about handwriting, we want to find something so they know, “WOW! He really knows his stuff!” And if they are normal in every category, everybody there seems sort of vanilla. So, basically, they’re really boring people. Notice, I said nothing about the Midwest – isn’t that nice? (audience laughs) Curt Baggett: I’m doing a case in California, for a lady from Chicago, who is a third grade teacher. I went out to California a couple of weeks ago to do the deposition. The opposing attorney was questioning, because they forged her name to a document for an operation, and she didn’t sign it. I said that no one could write like her, she’s a third-grade teacher, so all of her letters are almost perfect. All third grade teachers write like they teach their kids to write. They don’t break any rules, they don’t do anything wrong, they’re very middle-of-the-road, they stop at stop signs... Bart Baggett:…they work for the government, they wish they got a raise, and they don’t take a lot of risks. This is a generalization, but I think as a sub-culture, there are a lot of personality traits that would attract someone to a career that fits their security base, as loving and supportive. There are a lot of wonderful traits there – but they’re not your entrepreneur personalities. You’re not going to see a third grade teacher be a CEO of IBM, it would be very unlikely – they’re not the same personality characteristics. You’ve got the rules and structure. We’re not so good at obeying rules and structure – therefore they probably wouldn’t let us in to teach in the schools. Student asks a question: (inaudible) Bart Baggett:Let me paraphrase this student’s question: If there’s a trait that is written one way in one word, but written a different way in another word – let’s say they always write the word “monkey,” and their y is only different relating to monkey. So, that person has an issue with monkeys. (audience laughs) If you were to write my name with a high t-bar, but everyone else’s has a low t-bar, you have more respect for me. Likewise, if you hated me, it may be lower. So, there could be some unconscious symbolism within what the word means. That is an interesting question, and I think you can look at the writing on a case by case basis to see if there is something in that word that’s coming out unconsciously. One of the things that they’ll tell you when you’re determining honesty and integrity, is that when people tend to lie, they’ll space their words a little bit farther away. So, if you’re writing something, let’s say you ask, “Did you steal it?” And they write, “I did not steal it,” and this word is a little bit farther out, because they had to stop and think about it for half a second, therefore the spacing is a little off. It’s kind of tricky to understand that, but it makes sense if you think about the process somebody is going through. So, if they're writing to their mother, and they hate their mother, they're going to have some issues apparent regarding their mother. Curt Baggett: If you hate your mother, you don’t write her, do you? (audience laughs) Now, you're talking about, if you have a y in the middle of a word and you bring it up and tie it in, but the y on the end would be like an incomplete sex drive on the bottom. It is a matter of convenience, the way you do these strokes, but you do them because…see, people who are in a hurry, it's convenient for them not to do upper loops or lower loops, so they print. They think they can print faster than writing, and they don't reveal themselves. It's the same concept. If you started printing today, pretty soon your personality would be like some of these people who print all the time. You wouldn't reveal yourself and you'd be in a hurry all the time. Therapy works either way. If you write that way for whatever reason, you will become that way. Bart Baggett:You have to think about what's behind the writing. If someone says, "I write that way because it's convenient and because I'm in a hurry," that might be true, but that's the surface excuse. There's an underlying cause of why they do that. I don't make my f's normally – I make them a big figure eight. Well, it's faster. Yes, it's faster, and you know what? I'm also more efficient that way, and I can connect thoughts easier than someone else. Student Comment: To give you an example, when I write y's in the middle of a word, I have a tendency to make it like a downstroke – but if it's at the end of a word, I usually have a tail on it. Bart Baggett:OK – I don't know what that means specifically for you, but I do know that if you have two different kinds of y's, you have both of those characteristics in your personality. You have a loner stroke sometimes, and you have the normal, healthy y. Again, some people end words with different letters, because they're not picking up their pen. It doesn't necessarily have a different meaning, but you do have both elements in your writing. Student Question: You know the y that's clannish? in some writing that I've read, there's a similar y that's a little bit bigger, but it's fear of success, right? Bart Baggett:No, but I can understand how you could confuse those two. Because, the clannishness is a small little circle, and fear of success is a downturned y. We're going to get to that in just a few minutes, but it's an important distinction, because the clannishness relates to the size of the loop, which is tiny (which means you want a few friends, not a lot), narrow imagination and lack of trust. The fact that it's round, don't confuse the two things. The small is clannishness, the fact that it turns down, that's fear of success. We'll explain that later in massive detail, so you won't confuse that anymore. You could have both, but they're very different. Loner, we talked about that – no loop, right? Does this person like people? If he's an E+ writer, a DE writer, and they have big writing, they love people. But, they're going to need their space. There's a big difference between liking people and needing people. If they need some time alone, they're not co-dependant, that's independent. Co-dependant means they have to be around people all the time, right? E+ writer, big loops… Curt Baggett: The way I describe it is, you try very hard not to need anybody – you can do the job all by yourself. I would prefer to be wanted, not needed. It's not a bad stroke. I don't want anyone needing me, I don't want to need anyone. See, I have longer strokes, and I need my alone time. I want to be wanted, not needed. Bart Baggett:Yes, I see this as a healthy thing, I don't think it's a dysfunctional thing. Even in a relationship, a loner stroke can be very functional. You just have to understand, if you're dating someone like this, you have to let her or him be alone, and not crowd them. Curt Baggett: You have to understand what it means, so you understand them. Bart Baggett:Anti-social – again, this is where they don't trust people. Narrow loops, they don't trust. Curt Baggett: Ku Klux Klan people have that. Bart Baggett:And they're all E+ writers, and they're all from Alabama. (audience laughs) I'm sorry, Biloxi has them too, I'm sure, in Mississippi. We don't want to let Alabama have all the racial unrest. Bart Baggett:Aggressiveness, socially selective, sexual imagination. The bigger the y's, the more open-minded. Strong sex drives… Curt Baggett: Gullible is what that means. Bart Baggett:Yeah, they may not be great in bed, but they're going to get talked into selling Amway. Sexual imagination – the bigger the y's, the more open minded. End Recording.