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Join Bart Baggett and Curt Baggett in a lively
discussion with their seminar audience:


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TRANSCRIPTION of 8 minute audio:

Bart Baggett: What I want to do is, go to section 8 and
run through some of these other traits we didn’t cover.

Remember when we talked about self-consciousness?
Second "m" hump higher than the first "m" hump?
Opposite of that in handwriting is diplomacy, but it
isn’t really opposite in psychology. It doesn’t make
a lot of sense that it’s opposite.

But, you will find people with humps that go downhill tend
to be much more kind with words, and say things in a way
that’s much more eloquent, and it’s a positive trait.

So, when you’re deprogramming self-consciousness, you’re
actually programming what? Got a problem with that?
Sounds like a good trait to me – it’s a good trade-off.

Curt Baggett: Oh, well it had a very negative influence on
my life after I changed it – I was very, very sarcastic, and
I took out self-consciousness and put in diplomacy, and
now I’m so nice, I’m not very sarcastic any longer.

Bart Baggett: he passed that to his kids, so we can make up for it.

Conscious – fear of ridicule. Self-consciousness is fear of what?

Audience: ridicule

Bart Baggett: Right – which is interesting, because sensitivity
to criticism is different than self-consciousness, but it may
appear the same.

So, if someone is self-conscious, how would they respond if
you criticize their clothes? If they’re self-conscious, they’re
afraid of what you might say to them, rejection. They may not
be sensitive to you actually criticizing them.

So, one is present tense, the loop in the d is your present tense,
"I’m reacting to criticism." Self-conscious is afraid of something
happening in the future.

Curt Baggett: Our mothers teach us, "Wear clean underpants,
what happens if you have a wreck, what will people think?"
And our teachers did this, you see? When they tell you,
"Alright, Curt, you never know, you never keep up." I’m
on page 7, the kids are reading page 2, then she tells me I
never keep up – I didn’t know. So, I developed a fear of
ridicule, because that’s what they’re doing – they’re
ridiculing to try to get us to do what they want us to do.

Bart Baggett: So, sometimes it’s the fear of what will happen
in the future, versus sensitivity to criticism and what’s
happening now, but people will perceive it the same way.
Clothes you wear, will you stand up in class, will you ask
a pretty girl out, will you ask a guy to dance – those are
very similar. One is a fear of rejection, one is a fear of
criticism, but they seem very similar at times.

Curt Baggett: They both hurt, don’t they?

Bart Baggett: Yes, that’s true.

Desire for Culture – another sign of intelligence or edumacation.
People say, "Bart, why don’t you have an accent?" "Because
I’ve been edumacated. I grew up in Texas, but I decided that I
did not want to talk like Ross Perot, so I’ve been edumacated."

The Greek E, or the d that sort of falls back. You have to be
careful, because if the d is really loop, or squared on top, it’s
sort of a paranoia, but this is really elegant. You’ll see that if
there’s a desire for culture, there’s a lot about their handwriting
that’s sexy. It sort of has an elegance to it, or Greeky, or
something like that.

Yes, Jennifer?

Jennifer: What about the past?

Bart Baggett: Something in the past is "e." That’s the tricky
part about that. If it’s going too far in the past, then it
becomes guilt. If it’s just sort of like a sexy, swoopy d, it’s
desire for culture.

Jennifer: Could making a sexy, swoopy d and having a desire
for culture actually cause a problem in the past, if you were to
add that into your handwriting?

Bart Baggett: Yes, I would never add that into my handwriting.
It’s sort of like, you kind of know it when you see it, the desire
for culture stuff…

Curt Baggett: I hate to tell you Jennifer, you either have culture
or you don’t. (audience laughs)

Jennifer: Hey, I’ve got the "E." I might not have the "d," but I
do the "E" naturally.

Bart Baggett: Upper loops – we talked about this, this is the
demonstration part of the exercise. Big loops on the k’s and
h’s indicate a large…religions, philosophy, yeah.

By the way, they’re philosophical, they’re very spiritual, and
they will hate the fact you called them religious. You know,
fanatics. But, they do think about the future a lot, they think
about what’s after we die, they think about the things that are
in the ancient scrolls, they will be interested in what’s outside
of today. It’s not all clothes, make-up and, you know, music
or whatever.

Now, would you like a preacher with big loops or no loops on
their h’s?

Jennifer would like to comment – you said "big loops," on his
h’s – what does that mean?

Jennifer: Well, to me, that would signify somebody that’s more
open, they’re not as close-minded.

Bart Baggett: And you would like that because…?

Jennifer: I would like that because of, I guess, my own beliefs
about spirits.

Bart Baggett: What if, like, he sat in a room with a Buddhist, and
the next time you went to church, he’s decided he’s got to meditate
instead of what he did last week, because he was so open?

Jennifer: (pause) What do you mean? (audience laughs)

Bart Baggett: OK, what if you are a Christian, and you have a
preacher with very open loops on the top. He visits with a
Buddhist for awhile, and he goes, "You know what? This is
cool! I’m going to teach my congregation how to meditate and
reach the seventh chakra." And you come in, and you’re all
excited, because you want a Baptist preacher to tell you about
hellfire and damnation, and how bad you were Saturday night,
and you get a meditation lesson. Wouldn’t that make you upset?

Jennifer: I can’t relate. (audience laughs)

Bart Baggett: To which part?

Jennifer: I would be open to it, so I wouldn’t be able to relate
to the whole, damnation and brimstone, but I understand what
you’re saying, though.

Curt Baggett: That’s a good answer, then, you wanted your
preacher to have open h’s.

Unknown student: Well, it seems if you were in one particular
religion, you would want them to be closed up, because that
would simply signify that they are set in their ideals, they’re set
in their religion, they’re set in what they believe, and if you’re
following that particular religion, you would want them to have
them closed.

Bart Baggett: That’s a nice, logical argument, isn’t it?

Curt Baggett: If there’s a locked-down code of ethics, you’re
not interested in what anybody else says, whatever you’ve
got your going to keep. Opposed to, you didn’t buy into
everything they tried to teach you in Sunday School class,
you’re still looking for some answers, some proof, some
truths that you would buy into. Isn’t that a good way to say it?

Bart Baggett: By the way, that question is actually on your test.
And I have both answers, and I would give you both A’s.
Seriously, because you could explain it in the way that it made
sense to you.

What religion are you, may I ask? Catholic – are you still
Catholic? Sort of? Do you feel guilty just, like, waking up?

 

 
Student: What’s so interesting is, when you had first helped me
with some of my traits, you know, the self-castigation, some of
those things, and it was really cool, because you had mentioned
before, "Are you Catholic by any chance?"

And that just floored me, I was like, how the hell did you figure
that out? You know? And…

Bart Baggett: Hell?

Student: How the hell, yeah (audience laughs). And so the
really cool thing about that was that you said to me, really,
basically, knowing your last name, Ortega, I figured you
weren’t Jewish, so the Jewish and the Catholic religions are
so good at putting guilt into you for things you never did.

And that is so perfect and so true, because it does. You
know they teach you that whole guilt thing and so you find
all kinds of guilt patterns.

I worked at a Catholic University for about a year, and oh
my gosh, the strokes that were in the handwriting of the
people that had been there, it was like, "Give it up, folks."

Curt Baggett: The worst emotion ever invented by man to
control other people…

Bart Baggett: Well, the best use of control, I mean it works
real well – the Catholic church is the biggest landholder in
the world. If you want some cash and money, guilt is good.

And the best thing about that is, you promise them, like,
something after they’re dead…you know, I’ve got to give
you like a seminar to get your money, right? If I was really
smart, I’d make myself a god, and promise all these parties
when your dead. Dang, that’s brilliant, I should have
thought of that – I’m going to rule the world one day.

Go ahead.

Student Question: The t’s that are connected up there to the
h’s and stuff, is that what you’re talking about, the shallow
people?

Bart Baggett: Um, yeah, there’s a little shallow thinking in
there. Again, you guys kind of made me say that trait – I
don’t use that trait very much, it’s not something I see a
lot of and…

Student: Well how would you read it?

Bart Baggett: Well, judging by the big, fluffy bimbo writing,
I would have to agree with you.

Student: If it wasn’t fluffy bimbo, the way the t is…

Curt Baggett: Whoa, whoa, wait, wait – it doesn’t come back
up, it’s just an incomplete saucer. It wouldn’t be shallow
thinking, because it’s all going to drain out. What’s it doing?
It’s going down, and then into the religious aspect, and this
particular person has religious guilt, so what are they going
to do? Control your thinking to be like theirs?

Bart Baggett: And they have big y’s, too, so they’re also
very gullible in a lot of areas. But, no, it’s not the most
analytical writing you could see. And shallow thinking
means, "I’ll take the facts," you know, but also the m’s
are very round, so there’s not a lot of analytical ability.
If there’s no analytical ability, they’re also going to be
kind of shallow.

Student: Bart? The first teacher I had in graphology years ago,
she would describe those as a person who kind of believed in
things, like your mom may have told you about prince charming
and stuff – which goes along with the shallow thinking, and
that’s how I think I would interpret it, when I see that.

Bart Baggett: Your mom told you about me? (audience laughs)

Student: No, it’s just illusions. And it’s funny, because it…

Bart Baggett: You’re right, it is! (audience laughs)

Student: ..the shape of it is a symbol of the planet Neptune,
which rules illusions.

Bart Baggett: Really? What does Uranus rule? (audience laughs)
It’s the planet next to Neptune, isn’t it?

Student: Electricity. (says more, but unintelligible)

Bart Baggett: You really answered that question, didn’t you?

Curt Baggett: The very large top, what does it do? It inflates,
so you have an imagination in the…?

Bart Baggett: Religious, philosophical areas. Especially if it’s
flat-topped, like a balloon hitting the ceiling? That’s when you
really get guilt.

I don’t see it a lot. (unintelligible student comment) I agree…

Curt Baggett: This is not big enough to be magnificent in that
area, but I just wanted you to understand it’s the beginning…

Bart Baggett: But, it is kind of flat on top. It looks like a
balloon that hit the ceiling, a little flat? That’s where you
get the guilt, and the paranoid in the d’s – it has a little bit
of that flatness on there. So, it’s a good observation. A
little bit, but…

Ann, I think you had a comment?

Ann: You would think someone that has culture would have
a little bit more intelligence.

Bart Baggett: Where is the culture?

Ann: With the "E’s."

Bart Baggett: Culture? I mean, you’ve got the desire for culture,
but truly just a lack of analytical abilities. The lack of someone
with a lot of upper zones – not much upper zones, not very
analytical, just not real bright. Not the brightest bulb.

Yes ma’am?

Student Question: What about when there’s just a downstroke for
the h? Just only a downstroke?

Bart Baggett: That’s a good question – someone else asked that
same question about her d. It’s a downstroke with no upper loop…

Curt Baggett: Which means? What does a downstroke in the
t mean? No fluff, I don’t want to know anything I don’t need,
let’s get to it. So, you don’t know what their religious orientation
is, and they’re not interested in telling you.

Student: But it’s not a locked-in philosophy…

Curt Baggett: You don’t know what it is, see, because they
don’t display it. It’s in print, isn’t it? Downstroke, they
don’t display what they really think.

Bart Baggett: And without the upper part of the stroke,
you can’t get the unconscious. See, we’ve just got a
downstroke, so we just don’t know the answer. You
have to have a full loop to know if it’s repressed or not.

Curt Baggett: What you tell people is, "I don’t know
what kind of code of ethics or religion you have, but
whatever you’ve got, you’re not interested in sharing
it with me." Now that covers it, see, the just don’t tell
you. They know you know, but they don’t know what
you don’t know. And you don’t know what you don’t
know.

Bart Baggett: Let’s talk about religion more, this is fun.

Is there anybody we didn’t make mad? There’s Buddhist’s,
we’ve got the Catholics, we’ve got the Baptists, I mean,
I’m sure there’s someone we missed, but remind me…
Oh, the Mormon’s!

Curt Baggett: Well, they go in the lower loop area.

Bart Baggett: That whole multiple-wife thing is sooo 1800’s.
They don’t do that anymore.

OK, we’re going to take a five minute break, we’re going
to come back and talk about a little more guilt…

End recording.


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